Special Relativity

Don is going to love it here, look at all the smiles!

I'll put something having to do with Science and Metaphysics (the topic) later.

Thanks Lucas, I'll try to hit this site as much as possible and who knows, it may go number one.

Btw, I wasn't banned for ad hominems, I was banned because I told the truth about someone that claimed to talk to the dead on a regular basis as her business. I guess they wanted me to pay her before telling everyone that she was a fraud?

yes, much better smilies than NDERF, and no Mary either, she's banned!! Should this forum be by invitation only? At the moment it will not show up on google etc. Should we keep it that way? We can always recruit extra people from Near Death etc if we wanted to. What do you all think?

I definately want it on Google, so it should be public in my opinion. (Everyone welcome! Yippy!) We can handle the fundies, they're tasty.

I have to leave for half the day, but since I'm currently working on a sequel I have to sit at this computer for much of my days and I can come on and off the internet to hit the site.

okay we will have to figure out what kind of sub forums we should have, what they should be called, whether we should have moderators, who should be moderators etc. Once we have figured out all this plus rules (if any) we can submit it to google and hopefully it will overtake near death and afterlife! (NDERF is already washed up). I await the opinions of others

and just another thought. EP/Gentle Dove is kidding herself, nobody needs to pay for a forum!! She probably just wants to claim ownership over it and pays for it for that reason alone.

There could be reasons for paying a high price for a site,
"but" the traffic at both NDERF and near death doesn't warrant doing that.

Hell, I've got a server at the house, sitting on a fios line that would handle both sites
and plenty to spare, I just haven't felt like setting a site up and playing admin.
I've done it before and quite frankly it's a thankless job, with someone always wanting
to lob a grenade your way, lol. I just prefer just being a poster.

I have a feeling that both nderf and near death pay steep prices for their service
simply because they were set up years ago when it was expensive.
But it isn't my problem

Near Death cost $220.00 a year. Very affordable. EP just wants to appear as some sort of saint apparently.

I wouldn't bother Scotty as he no longer owns the site and has no say so anymore, as the host will recognize whomever has paid.

I paid exactly $220.00 a year for my business site, but it was immediately made public and was featured amongst the top ten in this city ( you just have to get people to hit on it as much as possible). If you prefer a company to work on getting your site into a prime position on the search engines then it usually runs around two thousand a year to do so.

Just thinking, since we are expressing our special relativity or observations, well, we're on topic.

So, I'll start another topic under Einstein's special relativity later, but we can currently use this thread to express our observations.

Ok, an observation. If you let people cuss and express themselves in whatever manner they feel comfortable, then this site should move up very quickly as people seem to love to see the crash or fight. In my opinion, it's when it crosses legal limits that the admin. needs to step in and say to the effect that this site does not endorse such opinions or claims, in whatever verbage but stated clearly to remove yourself from any possible actions against the poster.

The general public seems to assume that those of us that have these experiences are back to promote "Love". And I gotta say, that's actually somewhat true as these experiences are extremely impactful, but they also make us very suspicious of the bullshit that has been accepted by the masses, and eventually we become really irritated and some of us end up expressing that in ways that are quite aggressive.

Also, many of the newer nders are very angry at being back here, and we may have to be extra patient with them, and those of us that have these experiences know how they feel.

As an example, I met a woman nder that had a heart attack and survived obviously only to come down with cancer. She was so angry at "God". I told her "Fuck God" and she started to laugh so hard that she was crying. She told me that it was the first time that anyone said anything like that in her presence and it was exactly what she felt. We talked awhile and she seemed relieved and with a new passion to fight her illness head on.

Oh, and today I was talking to a High School teacher and he asked me "How can we get these kids motivated?". He meant in regard to stimulating them through philosophy somehow. He liked my idea of using science fiction because the younger generation seems to look for their philosophy in science fiction. Anyway, any ideas to pass along to him?

Cloe wrote:Near Death cost $220.00 a year. Very affordable. EP just wants to appear as some sort of saint apparently.

Damn scotty sold out cheap, lol.

Hi guys, Lucas, this is great! Let's see if we can lure everyone else over here - like SS, MB, the 2 Daves, Shaman, etc.

I love all the new emoticons!!

Groovy man!

What about Jan and Bubba? They're wonderful in bringing up challenges.

Eventually when this board goes public, we'll get the tidal wave of apologists, so hanging out together here will get us ready for the up and coming surf.

Who is Bubba? Was he/she ever on NDERF under a different name?
I hope I haven't undermined DM's long running project with this forum
And by the way, I have no intention of staying admin for the long term, once we have everything set up I will be happy to hand it over to someone else.

"Bubba" was Krikrikit on the old NDERF board.

Yup, Anita beat me to it.

Well, I better get some sleep soon. Not sure if it helps yet to keep hitting this site. Let us know when or if it can be googled, Lucas, then I'll try my best. Yawn, nighty night everyone.

no, hitting this site will do nothing at present, you need to click a link from google to the site for it to have any impact, having a large number of links to the forum on other sites would also improve search engine rank, but since the forum isn't really active yet, we don't really need to try and keep the hits on this site up.

Cloe wrote: Don is going to love it here, look at all the smiles!

I'll put something having to do with Science and Metaphysics (the topic) later.

Thanks Lucas, I'll try to hit this site as much as possible and who knows, it may go number one.

Btw, I wasn't banned for ad hominems, I was banned because I told the truth about someone that claimed to talk to the dead on a regular basis as her business. I guess they wanted me to pay her before telling everyone that she was a fraud?

I knew you were pushing it , and you know it
Anyway Cleo don´t do that and preach about love and tolerance , who cares if people are a fraud or NOT !! , everybody has a right to make there own living there way .

And you shouldn´t do something like that , same way mary baker shouldn´t have put her nose into somebody else life hood .
It is fine to believe what people want to believe , but in the end we sadly live in a currency society , without currency you cannot do anything anymore .
Unless you want to retire to a uninhabited island and just fish and grow fruit all day .
Even then you still have to pay tax to another country closeby .

I may be next on the ban list, simply for speaking my mind, in a nice manner BTW.

That's ok, hypocrisy needs to be pointed out for what it is.

I knew you were pushing it , and you know it
Anyway Cleo don´t do that and preach about love and tolerance , who cares if people are a fraud or NOT !! , everybody has a right to make there own living there way .

And you shouldn´t do something like that , same way mary baker shouldn´t have put her nose into somebody else life hood .
It is fine to believe what people want to believe , but in the end we sadly live in a currency society , without currency you cannot do anything anymore .
Unless you want to retire to a uninhabited island and just fish and grow fruit all day .
Even then you still have to pay tax to another country closeby .

I don't agree. Everyone certainly does NOT have a right to make "there (their) own living there (their) way". You think child prostitution or porn is fine and dandy? Or, maybe slavery or murder for hire? Or, let's open up illegal drugs so we can tax them and thereby make money on 'em legally, as we all know how wonderful alcohol has worked for us.

Society is what we make of it. I don't go around preaching about love and tolerance, you must have me mistaken for someone else?

Cloe wrote:

I knew you were pushing it , and you know it
Anyway Cleo don´t do that and preach about love and tolerance , who cares if people are a fraud or NOT !! , everybody has a right to make there own living there way .

And you shouldn´t do something like that , same way mary baker shouldn´t have put her nose into somebody else life hood .
It is fine to believe what people want to believe , but in the end we sadly live in a currency society , without currency you cannot do anything anymore .
Unless you want to retire to a uninhabited island and just fish and grow fruit all day .
Even then you still have to pay tax to another country closeby .

I don't agree. Everyone certainly does NOT have a right to make "there (their) own living there (their) way". You think child prostitution or porn is fine and dandy? Or, maybe slavery or murder for hire? Or, let's open up illegal drugs so we can tax them and thereby make money on 'em legally, as we all know how wonderful alcohol has worked for us.

Society is what we make of it. I don't go around preaching about love and tolerance, you must have me mistaken for someone else?

Here is a nasty example of child prostitution in thailand , infact everybody there turns a blind eye , cause example they earn more then there parents in a year .
Do you going to forfeit the childeren and infact make there life hell .
Or are you going to condem the people doing it ? those who go to child prostitution to thailand.

Sorry medium have there uses as long people go there are at ease .
Who are you to judge what she does for a living ?
If people are not statisfied with her service they stop coming .
It is not a harmfull way of living like you want to describe .

And yes you were fighting on multiple fronts including fighting me Cleo.
So yes they gotten to you as simple as that .

Sorry same way I see things is that people have to accept consequences for there actions , sure it was not nice how America handled the transition from world police to world bully by invading Iraq .
But sadly it happened and we are now suffering the reprocussions of it .
But don´t forget it is in the end the country as a whole that agreed.
Even if individuals said I wasn´t behind it .

Sorry you cannot punish people for wanting a living they think they do best , cause you don´t believe in spiritual things doesn´t mean others should think like you .

You have the right to disagree , but you have no right to judge and condemn, cause everybody needs a way of living .
Sorry you want to be usefull really visit those homeless shelters in the USA , where americans are living in there car just hoping for a lucky break . just average american citizens not beggars not low lifes.
Just average american who just had a bad luck break and lived in a credit society .

Before coming to tell how other country works . it is not meant a insult Cleo , it just trying to open your eyes .

I disagree.

Our world is what we make of it. Children should not be prostituted, period, in the world in which I live. If I look away and simply say to myself (as you seem to be doing) "they gotta make a living, they have to survive", then I also should ask myself "why in such a manner?". It's due to the breakdown of that society in the way that they have accepted such a means.

If we want this world to evolve to a more contructive and beneficial overview then we have to make that change.

When you see a child, you are looking at human potential, you are observing our future applications. Societal breakdowns in that regard are tremendously detrimental to this species. A damaged child is damaged future possibilities toward benefit and perhaps even, greater probabilities toward detriment.

You had your nde rather recently, so I give you some time to make the adjustments. As in, we tend to over generalize in regard to the population, and sometimes by throwing our family and friends into the stew of non specified treatment.

It's rather well known that this can and does affect relationships of nders. It takes a while to adjust as I've suggested, so I'll be easy on you, and leave it there.

Sorry Cleo you don´t have to be gentle on me.

And am still together with my GF and friends and family .
Infact nothing changed for them then other they wish I was sometimes less special or more normal .

My whole life is fast ,I traveled half europe alone on my 19-20th .
I lived in 4 different countries already .
Speak 4-5 languages.

And the world is changing with or without us , I don´t believe in the need to change the world leave my mark behind , cause it is always changing.
I believe in leaving a mark behind on the people who will matter in time.
They will leave there mark behind on there childeren .
Sorry we have different view about that , basically am more realistic , while you are just idealistic .

Child prositution yes I agree shouldn´t be allowed !
But sadly when you live in a money society of supply and demand .
You will get that simple as that , as long there is demands for it .
Then there will be somebody or something supplying it .
You want to deal with problems then deal with the demands .
Stop saying the supplier is the problem .

I don´t need time to adjust to my NDE cause simply put am not going to wait 7 years to deal with it .
Sorry not going to be confused for 7 years of my experience and need to validate it , infact I embrace it as wonderfull experience .
Never in my life have or will I find other place that is so tranquil and peacefull .
As to goals if i can give people a bit of tranquility in there lives a bit of love , then I already do more then enough .
If people think my NDE is hocus pocus , that is also there call not mine.
I do not need to fight a mountain of people who don´t believe .
Cause life is too short to fight people believe or rejections .

Neither do I wish to earn money on my NDE , or going to write a book .
My memoires alone will do that if ,I needed so badly to write a book .
Nah sorry Cleo you underestimate people some people just live faster do things faster and get over things faster then others .

How else I don´t have to work anymore at age of 36 .

The mark isn't necessarily on this world, it's on you, your being.

You sound like a determinist. Everything is indeed in the processes of change, but what that means is that we can influence change and are that change under many circumstances.

Children need education, not rape. And if we for a moment decide that what has happened is "fate" and is in fact "fated" then we have wronged this world tremendously. We have certainly not come back to deliver determinism, but freedom from that mindset.

We have free will and therefore can be the anomaly. We can choose against the odds.

Again about the child issue , there is not much to debate , basically simply put more childeren are neglected in so many ways in the west.
They are becoming worthless , yes they don´t lack luxury , they don´t lack attention , they really lack love .

You see the horde of kids on the net , the kids are smarter these days .
Smarter then when we were kids .
Education sadly they are not getting proper education , most of them cannot even do math from there heads .
It is not lack of brain power , cause they can create there own language that is totally unreadable for you and me .
So stop saying rape the kids , cause currently the society is doing much worst then pyschical rape , the lack of attention online and education or caring in real life .
Will leave the next generation a deep scar , most of them already are on medication .

Sorry I do not accept child pornography in anyway , infact I will report those people . but sadly I do understand why in Thailand the parents kids and general public turns a blindeye . that is a big difference between you and me .
Morals and value are every country different , you cannot apply your morals and value .
Example asked when I been to China , why are people not revolting against the government .
One person say who cares who runs the country , as long we got food we can complain and they execute corrupt politicians .
Who are we to decide what is right or wrong , funny thing is .
We live in a ERA where the west seems more corrupt and rewarding to politicans who are corrupt . and in the end our votes or opnions doesn´t matter one bit . so we have freedom of speech , but that is slowly being manipulated too .

Determined offcourse I am since NDE showed me , I make the choices in life , and live with the consequences of my own actions .
It only strengthen my own resolve , just sometimes we put things off for years and years .